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 Is ZoneAlarm (free) REALLY better than XP's firewall???

OK.  I know the default answer to this will be "ZoneAlarm is better."  The
only thing is, recently, it hasn't been (on my machine).  I've had troubles
with it not remembering settings, defaulting to "medium" security on my
local network when I wanted "low" and it even trashed an installation a few
months ago (uninstalling it resulted in significant performance & stability
increases, but not enough to eliminate the need to reinstall).

Now, I've been pleased w/ XP's ability to hide my computer from the Net,
though I hear many people complain that it won't block outgoing traffic.  I
guess I have two questions then:
1. Does anyone have definitive proof that Windows' built-in firewall is
inferior to ZA (the free version (I'm not paying $50))?  I understand that
XP won't stop outgoing, but that only pertains to spyware, etc, right?
Eliminate those and you don't need to block outgoing?
2. Has anyone had trouble with ZAfree & XP, similar to what I listed above,
and if so, have you worked around it?

Thanks for your time.



 Sun, 21 Nov 2004 23:43:20 GMT   
 Is ZoneAlarm (free) REALLY better than XP's firewall???

I use XP's firewall, combined with keeping my antivirus program up-to-date,  do not install questionable software, don't open e-mail attachments from unknown sources, browse only trusted sites and use plenty of common sense.  That's my solution to spyware, viruses, trojans and worms.

OK.  I know the default answer to this will be "ZoneAlarm is better."  The
only thing is, recently, it hasn't been (on my machine).  I've had troubles
with it not remembering settings, defaulting to "medium" security on my
local network when I wanted "low" and it even trashed an installation a few
months ago (uninstalling it resulted in significant performance & stability
increases, but not enough to eliminate the need to reinstall).

Now, I've been pleased w/ XP's ability to hide my computer from the Net,
though I hear many people complain that it won't block outgoing traffic.  I
guess I have two questions then:
1. Does anyone have definitive proof that Windows' built-in firewall is
inferior to ZA (the free version (I'm not paying $50))?  I understand that
XP won't stop outgoing, but that only pertains to spyware, etc, right?
Eliminate those and you don't need to block outgoing?
2. Has anyone had trouble with ZAfree & XP, similar to what I listed above,
and if so, have you worked around it?

Thanks for your time.



 Mon, 22 Nov 2004 00:09:20 GMT   
 Is ZoneAlarm (free) REALLY better than XP's firewall???
Ion,
Any firewall is better than no firewall generally speaking, having said that
it's fair to say that a firewall as with any software has to be fit for the
purpose, in other words do what it says it should do! Otherwise we're
getting into the realms of the 'trades discription act' however
accountability of a company on this note may NOT extend to FREEWARE, but
should if it doesn't.
I digress, I use and have used ZA Pro for well over a year now successfully
and even prior to that had no problems with the ZA freeware; I believe that
Zone Labs are extremely competative and produce a solid product, but I also
know that as with other s/w products they don't always work on variying
types of machines for naturally various reasons.
One train of thought is that those that specialise in certain software like
MS for Windows (OS's) are where they are because they're good at what they
do 'Operating Systems' amongst other things, as with Zone Labs, they
specialise in specifically Firewalls, So which ones better at this time?
Good question! Win F/W because it's intergrated and MS must know how best to
defend their OS??, or ZoneLabs ZA because they should know everything about
everything about Firewalls??
I'm sure this topic will recieve a great deal of response, sorry I can't be
of any specific help, good luck.
Steve

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 Mon, 22 Nov 2004 00:25:12 GMT   
 Is ZoneAlarm (free) REALLY better than XP's firewall???
Well from what I've seen, XP's firewall cannot open ports on a
per-application basis. Once a port is opened, it's fully opened. Whereas ZA
only allows specific applications to use the ports. Sort of dynamic
authorizations. So you'll see if something tries to access the web when it
shouldn't be (spyware) even if it uses a commonly used port. Another
disadvantage of XP's firewall is that you can only open one port for
something. Not more than one. So, as an example, people cannot use Passive
(PASV) mode to connect to your FTP daemon running on XP.

At least that's what I saw. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

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 Mon, 22 Nov 2004 00:33:32 GMT   
 Is ZoneAlarm (free) REALLY better than XP's firewall???
"Ion Control" <IonCont...@echobase.rebel.net> wrote in news:OsTAXeKDCHA.1544
@tkmsftngp02:

If you are goingto run the ICF on XP, make sure you do keep your Antivirus up
to date an scan regularly. Get something like AdAware or Freesurfer to get
rid of and prevent spyware. If I have a program that is questionable, I start
packet sniffing on said program and check its files completely. Never had any
problems with it.

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 Mon, 22 Nov 2004 01:03:15 GMT   
 Is ZoneAlarm (free) REALLY better than XP's firewall???
"Eric" <Eric2...@NOSPAM.hotmail.com> wrote in news:ONnhm6KDCHA.1724
@tkmsftngp02:

What I have as a workaround to that is to turn off the ICF, let teh person
log in, then turn the firewall back on. Seems to work fine MOST of the time,
YMMV though.

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 Mon, 22 Nov 2004 01:04:42 GMT   
 Is ZoneAlarm (free) REALLY better than XP's firewall???

Umm... ok, but when you get several people connecting and logging off all
the time and when it runs 24h/day, it's not a solution.

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 Mon, 22 Nov 2004 01:37:39 GMT   
 Is ZoneAlarm (free) REALLY better than XP's firewall???
"Eric" <Eric2...@NOSPAM.hotmail.com> wrote in news:OP6JceLDCHA.1544
@tkmsftngp02:

While this is true, you weren't exactly clear on that point. Another option
is to create filter rules for it with IPSec

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 Mon, 22 Nov 2004 02:56:57 GMT   
 Is ZoneAlarm (free) REALLY better than XP's firewall???
Concerning Windows XP firewall.............  Bellsouth.net has major
connection problems when XP firewall is enabled.  I found this out the day I
installed XP.  I fired off  several emails and all I got was we are working
on it and will be notifying all subscribers when this has been
fixed...........  5 months ago.

I have also been using Zone Alarm.... with no other difficulities

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 Mon, 22 Nov 2004 04:34:29 GMT   
 Is ZoneAlarm (free) REALLY better than XP's firewall???

If you have a LAN, ZA is certainly better:  ICF prevents print and
file sharing, ZA does not.

I run ZA on 4 PCs (XPHE, 98SE, and 95b), with relatively few problems.
And, I got better support from ZoneLabs and from NGs for my *free*
versions of ZA than I got from several other vendors (M$, HP,
Adaptec/Roxio, Powerquest, others) for software I paid for.
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 Mon, 22 Nov 2004 04:01:24 GMT   
 Is ZoneAlarm (free) REALLY better than XP's firewall???

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It isn't that there is anything wrong with XP's firewall.  It's only
that Zone Alarm is a LOT easier to use.  Zone Alarm Pro was $39.95 and
they sent me a CD also.  The Pro version has built in ad blocking and
some other useful bits.  I've had no problems with either ZA free
version or ZAPro and XP Pro.

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 Mon, 22 Nov 2004 09:53:30 GMT   
 Is ZoneAlarm (free) REALLY better than XP's firewall???

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Well... I did have problems with ZA Pro and my wife experienced the same
with the free version. Essentially, we were unable to log back onto the net
"if" we disconnected WITHOUT rebooting. Needless to say, we tweaked the
programs in every way conceiveable to no avail.

I would agree: "if" one is certain there is no spyware on one's computer and
one is on a dial-up (as are we), then XP's firewall is ample protection.



 Mon, 22 Nov 2004 11:22:00 GMT   
 Is ZoneAlarm (free) REALLY better than XP's firewall???

I thought that was a given. I wouldn't bother running an FTP for one person
connecting only when we agree on a time. Might as well e-mail files to that
person, it's less of a bother.

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 Mon, 22 Nov 2004 15:36:33 GMT   
 Is ZoneAlarm (free) REALLY better than XP's firewall???
To correct your misconception that you don't need to block outgoing traffic
if you get rid of spyware:
1)  You will never get rid of all spyware.
2)  You should very well be concerned about viruses (ie trojans and worms
more specifically) sending information home.

Alex marshall
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 Tue, 23 Nov 2004 01:16:06 GMT   
 Is ZoneAlarm (free) REALLY better than XP's firewall???

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Right I guess.  I got cable over a year ago, so haven't even tried ZA or
ZAP with dialup, so don't know about that at all.  Between ZAP and AVG I
haven't had any serious problems at all since I got cable installed.
I've used a 4 port router since day 1 cable too.
McG>



 Tue, 23 Nov 2004 09:54:07 GMT   
 
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